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Gift of the Animagi
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Possibly I should have saved that title for some fic later on. Or more probably, someone has already used it.

I'm curious about how being in animagus state affects someone mentally. Sirius says, in PoA:

I could transform in my cell... become a dog. Dementors can't see, you know...." He swallowed. "They feel their way toward people by feeding off their emotions.... They could tell that my feelings were less -- less human, less complex when I was a dog... but they thought, of course, that I was losing my mind like everyone else in there, so it didn't trouble them.

and

So, one night when they opened my door to bring food, I slipped past them as a dog.... It's so much harder for them to sense animal emotions that they were confused...

This is all about the emotional side of things. And Sirius refers to his emotions as Padfoot as "animal emotions". But clearly he's still sentient.

Rita Skeeter uses her animagus form to covertly gather information, so mentally, she must still be very sharp, even as a beetle. (I wonder what beetle emotions are like.) But is it a different kind of intelligence? How much do those doggy and beetle-y emotions affect their actions?

It seems, not so much from the text, but from a remark that JKR made in an interview, when asked what kind of animal she's be if she were an animagus ("I'd like to be an otter - that's my favourite animal. It would be depressing if I turned out to be a slug or something."), that you don't choose the animal you change into.

I wonder if your possible animagus form and the form of your patronus are related. If I had more time before work, I'd add some stuff about His Dark Materials and daemons. Sadly, I don't.


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I'd like to be an otter - that's my favourite animal. It would be depressing if I turned out to be a slug or something."), that you don't choose the animal you change into.

I wonder if your possible animagus form and the form of your patronus are related.


Very interesting, because isn't Hermione's patronus an otter?

And I like the idea that much like the wand chooses the wizard, so does the animagus form.

Which would say something about Sirius that needs more examining (loyalty, eagerness to please, er, doggedness), and makes Peter's motivations a lot clearer (and a lot less complex on the surface) - self-interest uber alles.

Very interesting, because isn't Hermione's patronus an otter?

Yes it is, and that's the reason my ears perked at this as well.

Which would say something about Sirius that needs more examining (loyalty, eagerness to please, er, doggedness), and makes Peter's motivations a lot clearer (and a lot less complex on the surface) - self-interest uber alles.

Just so. I wonder what James's animagus form says about him. I can't think of any traits that I'd ascribe to a stag, particularly.

Also -- Harry's patronus is a stag, the form of his father's animagus. In OotP, Harry gets badly disillusioned about James. I wonder if that's affected his patronus at all.

I wonder what James's animagus form says about him. I can't think of any traits that I'd ascribe to a stag, particularly.

Um, willingness to lock horns, to mix it up?

Harry's patronus is a stag, the form of his father's animagus. In OotP, Harry gets badly disillusioned about James. I wonder if that's affected his patronus at all.

That's a good question. He's got a corporeal patronus (which seems to impress everyone who hears about it) - can that be changed?

but it's not memories of his father that produced the patronus, so it's probably not going to be affected.

I like the idea mentioned below about the patronus representing the best parts of ourselves.

Just so. I wonder what James's animagus form says about him. I can't think of any traits that I'd ascribe to a stag, particularly.

According to Cirlot's A Dictionary of Symbols, stags (along with eagles and lions) are associated with heaven and light, in opposition to snakes, which are associated with the subterranean world and night.

Maybe James's and Harry's animagi forms are less about their personal traits and more about their roles in the struggle against Voldemort.

Oh, that's cool! Thanks for the info. :)

Yeah, the Hermione=JKR thing has been discussed quite a bit. (JKR does say they have a lot in common, after all.)

It seems to me that one's animagus form and patronus form could only be related if one had an amazing amount of self confidence. The patronus is a representation of good thoughts. It is all of your joy and bravery distilled into a shape. For Harry, his father represents a lot of that, hence the stag. Your animagus form, it could be argued, represents all of you, both light and dark. Only someone without darkness would be likely to have identical forms. I think it would be a rare person who would see themselves as the embodiment of strength, joy and light.

I like this idea -- the animagus as a metaphor for yourself, the patronus for what's best in you.

I don't think we've seen anyone manifest both, have we? That would be interseting to know.

Beetle emotions are cool and hard and very, very small.

So if Sirius' animagus is loyal, and McGonagall's is clever then Rita Skeeter's is small minded. And crunchy.


Crunchy!

I hope my animagus is a cat. I want to be clever too.

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